I can't believe Kitty has advanced more in the past month than IRCv3 has in the past 5 years.

It helps that we've abandoned all preconception of even pretending to support accountless setups. Authentication is required. It makes the protocol so, so much fucking easier when you can assume the user is authenticated.

People like their identities. People want to ensure their identity is secure. A small number of people on networks like EFNet and IRCNet (shrinking by the day)who prefer this don't really change this fact. If they want IRC, they can stay on IRC. I'm not going after them.

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For what it's worth, I think the lack of accounts on IRC (and services being an obvious bolted-on hack) has held IRC back massively and is part of the reason why it lives in the past and will in no way be the future.

It took them six revisions of TS to get the server to server protocol anything resembling "right" to handle nickname collisions and stop splitriding. I mean, some ND/CD weenies might chime in, but ND/CD is a hack in of itself, too.

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I will never understand people who think the accountless model is for the best, when they had to implement ChanFix on EFNet because TS6 wasn't actually good enough. Not to mention getting kicked off the server because you so happened to use an admin's (or an admin's friend's) nickname.

@Elizafox they're the same kind of people that don't have to worry about getting yelled at in the bathroom

@cadey Same kind of people who think a DDoS against someone so their channel can be taken over is hilarious rather than amateur hour shit.

@Elizafox I'm not an experienced IRC mod or anything, but as a user I like the idea of being able to interract with a community without having to divulge personal information first.

For example, Libera Chat. Got a programming question? Hop on, ask, converse, leave. No need to commit any further unless you *want* to.

@faoluin Divulging personal information is not the same as having an account.

An account is just a nickname and password, and a means of authentication and *keeping* your identity. After all, a person's nickname *is* their identity.

This is useful for people who don't just use chat like that (the majority).

@faoluin Unfortunately tech giants, in the attempt to farm more information, have extended the idea of an "account" to "also you need an email also you need to give your name, no no your REAL name" which is truly unfortunate.

@Elizafox I guess I just feel like a protocol could be developed to support accountless use while also supporting real accounts in a much better way than IRC traditionally has. Even if the accountless mode is just less priveledged in some way (maybe they can receive messages but not send?). Again, I'm not an experienced moderator or implementor, just putting in my Reply Guy two cents here. :P

@Elizafox I assumed making an account also requires an email address (frequently, but not always), which is what I meant by personal information.

And depending on how inactive accounts are handled, nicknames could be squatted on for years by people not using them, preventing others from using a name that they identify with.

@Elizafox Yeah, it's why Ergo is a bit interesting. (I haven't really went much into it though and I just use one ergo server so far)
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